Carlock moves to Grestch

[Randy Walker]

I second what Chris said, thank you Peter and Johnny D for taking the time to post on this topic

[Clint Hopkins]

Peter, Jim and John,
Your thoughtful and insightful posts concerning this topic are a testament to the standard that has been consistently set by the majority of members here at HOD. Thank you for setting the record straight.

[Rodge]

Hey Johnny D, so, I understand that you know a little bit about that business isn't it...
Thanks for stoping by Boss, hug.

Rodge.

[Richie Jarvis]

Well it's official, Carlock has moved to Gretsch.

http://www.gretschdrums.com/?fa=artistdetail&id=1118

[DSOP]

Odd how Tony Williams isn't listed under "Legendary Players". Tony has probably done more for Gretsch than anyone, yet he is noticeably absent. I'm pretty sure he had a big falling out with Gretsch near the end of his life.

[Patrick Tiglao]

Well it's official, Carlock has moved to Gretsch.

http://www.gretschdrums.com/?fa=artistdetail&id=1118

Awesome!!

Odd how Tony Williams isn't listed under "Legendary Players". Tony has probably done more for Gretsch than anyone, yet he is noticeably absent. I'm pretty sure he had a big falling out with Gretsch near the end of his life.

Well regardless of wether Gretsch gives tony credit...The whole drumming world knows that TW=Yellow Gretsch..Even though he went to DW towards the end.

[DSOP]

[Josiah]

Ok, that’s enough from the “drum industry sheriff”. And I’m not on drugs… just really strong coffee

Best regards to all,

John P. DeChristopher

Appreciate the post.


To clarify, you are stating that a company like Zildjian, in no way reimburses artists on it's roster for expenses or provides services or products free of cost?

Find it hard to believe Steve Gadd went out of pocket for his meals while on a 3 month clinic tour for Zildjian.... just saying seems there is some serious splitting of hairs concerning what is "paying" someone and otherwise. Just like colleges don't pay their football players right?


Maybe you aren't writing a check for cash, but 5 digits in cymbals and sticks for free every year though, expense accounts, etc. That level of "support" is effectively paying an artist.

What about how companies charge more for "signature" products? You're saying the name sake artist of that product doesn't get even a small percentage of that?

I get royalties off some piddly dink commercial I did years ago, but I have a signature drum stick sold world wide with a company like Zildjian, and I don't get a dime from that?

More to the point, Jo Graphic Designer, in the advertising department is being paid, by the hour, to create and design the advertisement media but the actual people in the content of the advertisements aren't getting a dime? Come on...

Nothing in this world is free, and that includes using the name sake and images of famous musicians. You might be paying people with product instead of cash in most cases, but at that point it's just semantics of the word pay.

[willyz]

I can't tell from my phone, but are the tom mounts drilled directly to the shell?

[Rodge]

Ok, that’s enough from the “drum industry sheriff”. And I’m not on drugs… just really strong coffee

Best regards to all,

John P. DeChristopher

Appreciate the post.


To clarify, you are stating that a company like Zildjian, in no way reimburses artists on it's roster for expenses or provides services or products free of cost?

Find it hard to believe Steve Gadd went out of pocket for his meals while on a 3 month clinic tour for Zildjian.... just saying seems there is some serious splitting of hairs concerning what is "paying" someone and otherwise. Just like colleges don't pay their football players right?


Maybe you aren't writing a check for cash, but 5 digits in cymbals and sticks for free every year though, expense accounts, etc. That level of "support" is effectively paying an artist.

What about how companies charge more for "signature" products? You're saying the name sake artist of that product doesn't get even a small percentage of that?

I get royalties off some piddly dink commercial I did years ago, but I have a signature drum stick sold world wide with a company like Zildjian, and I don't get a dime from that?

More to the point, Jo Graphic Designer, in the advertising department is being paid, by the hour, to create and design the advertisement media but the actual people in the content of the advertisements aren't getting a dime? Come on...

Nothing in this world is free, and that includes using the name sake and images of famous musicians. You might be paying people with product instead of cash in most cases, but at that point it's just semantics of the word pay.

Ok Josiah, what do you want man ? Peter Erskine came in, John DeChristopher came in, what do you want to know ? Keep your thouht if you want, but come on man, I think that it's ok now.