Taking the Anti-Piracy Argument Back From the Music Industry

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Postby electrizer » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:42 pm

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Her sobbing towards the end really says it all... :/ The argument with the frowny YouTube face is valid too.
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Postby Paul Marangoni » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:44 pm

Resnikoff is an idiot.
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Postby beat hit » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:27 pm

Paul Marangoni wrote:Resnikoff is an idiot.


Maybe so, please clarify, thanks...
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Postby Paul Marangoni » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:36 pm

His diatribe about copyright law is ridiculous. The rules of Copyright are simple. The problem is that they haven't been enforced in such a long time, so everyone is confused.

The law needs to be made much clearer so that thieves like Google are forced to change their ways. They won't go down without a fight though. Google's entire business model is to make money off of creative content without paying their fair share.
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Postby DeeP_FRieD » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:10 pm

Paul Marangoni wrote:Google's entire business model is to make money off of creative content without paying their fair share.


Although I understand where you're coming from, this statement is a complete over-exaggeration.

Google makes it's money of Advertising primarily, and although some of it's services are being used by people illegitimately, they offer most of their "creative content" for free. Maps, Android, Gmail, Docs...

This situation is far stickier than copyright law as written can handle...

BMI and ASCAP send bodies out to bars and clubs to ensure compliance with licensing... Some of what people are proposing here is that companies that offer services that users can share content with, police themselves.

Apparently within the old model they realized this wouldn't work and actually had to enforce themselves.
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Postby Paul Marangoni » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:25 pm

The whole problem would disappear if they wanted it to. Don't kid yourself that the technology is too slippery to control. Google is breaking the law every second of every minute, and not just by violating copyright law. They have governments across the planet demanding answers, and for the most part, they get away with it by paying billions of dollars in fines, and then going back to business as usual. They have managed to corner the market in a few key areas, and this has resulted in previously unheard of control.

Google could have taken the high road. They didn't. Far from it.
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Postby DeeP_FRieD » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:43 pm

Paul Marangoni wrote:The whole problem would disappear if they wanted it to. Don't kid yourself that the technology is too slippery to control. Google is breaking the law every second of every minute, and not just by violating copyright law. They have governments across the planet demanding answers, and for the most part, they get away with it by paying billions of dollars in fines, and then going back to business as usual. They have managed to corner the market in a few key areas, and this has resulted in previously unheard of control.

Google could have taken the high road. They didn't. Far from it.


Please elaborate for me. Maybe like the top 10 examples of them not "taking the high road".

I'm not some kind of corporate romantic, far from it actually; however, statements like yours tend to confuse me, as I try to stay on top of geek things and I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.

Also, do you really think that any large corporation ever takes the high road?

I'm sure there are a few, but they are the exception most definitely.

I just find it a bit shortsighted to volley against one entity when many others are also to blame, whilst that the mechanics of the system in itself are flawed as well.
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Postby Paul Marangoni » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:57 pm

Try doing business with Google and then you'll see what I mean.

Are you seriously unaware of all the charges brought against them in the last few years? Or the billions of dollars in fines they've paid?

http://www.aninews.in/newsdetail7/story ... oogle.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ira-israe ... 16786.html

http://www.wired.com/2012/06/opinion-google-is-evil/

http://www.webpronews.com/google-fined- ... be-2014-03

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/google ... d=18717950

http://news.yahoo.com/google-fined-22-5 ... nance.html

True, many others out there doing equally nefarious stuff, but none with the impact of Google/YouTube.
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Postby DeeP_FRieD » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:49 pm

Paul Marangoni wrote:Try doing business with Google and then you'll see what I mean.

Are you seriously unaware of all the charges brought against them in the last few years? Or the billions of dollars in fines they've paid?

http://www.aninews.in/newsdetail7/story ... oogle.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ira-israe ... 16786.html

http://www.wired.com/2012/06/opinion-google-is-evil/

http://www.webpronews.com/google-fined- ... be-2014-03

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/google ... d=18717950

http://news.yahoo.com/google-fined-22-5 ... nance.html

True, many others out there doing equally nefarious stuff, but none with the impact of Google/YouTube.


Ok, this is what I though you were going to refer to.

Remind me again what antitrust lawsuits and privacy infringements have to do with copyright law and this thread?

In regards to them aggregating and disseminating personal data, I'm not going to argue on their ethics as I know they have none.
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Postby Paul Marangoni » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:06 pm

You asked for examples of their ethical behavior, did you not? Copyright is only one of their chosen transgressions. It just happens to be the most damaging as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not sure why I even need to explain it. They make it easy for anyone to share artistic creations, whether they have the right to do it or not (and anonymously), and then they force the creator to police their own creation, and make it as difficult as possible (if not impossible) for them to go after the infringing party for reparations, or to have the art in question removed from search results.

AND NO ONE HAS BEEN DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Maybe things will change, but I somehow doubt it.

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