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Some of the most influential, as well as the most musically sublime and memorable drummers aren't necessarily anything to write home about on the drums. Guys like Ringo Starr, JR Robinson, even Stewart Copeland are by no means the best players, but they sure as hell are great musicians.

Some of that musicality is undoubtedly related to the bands they were in or the records they played on. I mean, think about it: How many of us would have heard of Ringo if he wasn't in the Beatles? This is not, in any way, a slam against Ringo, who is actually a good drummer IMHO (based not just on the Beatles, but on the fact that he was a regular on the British club scene prior to joining Liverpool's finest. ). But then again, there were plenty of other drummers who were well regarded among the British musical crowd, so what made Ringo stand out to Paul, George, and John? Some intagible variables, I imagine, relating to personality, temperament, work ethic, and versatility/adaptability.

I suppose the combination of chemistry, timing, and effort in a band setting, or at least a setting with other musicians in the room, goes a long way....

The 'best player' doesn't really exist, and as a general idea, holds relatively little value for me. I get the player mentality, and follow it, but when I watch a documentary like this one:



...I'm reminded about the 'simple' iconic drum parts, and the huge musical statements. And recording quality I don't hear nowadays.

Paul Marangoni wrote:

Hmmm. Just hmmm.

HOD is one of the few drum forums where discussion is actively discouraged...

Kurtis said something about this being the best drum forum on the web (in a thread, later deleted, in which everyone savaged someone for posting a video of themselves) because there were no soft-balls. I think this concept has eaten itself now. There's also not much courtesy, or sense of community any more.

Not sure I agree with the validity of this sentiment...Unless we're talking about BPM on a drumometer...and I ain't going there!

I think the statement is over the top, but I do agree there are some great drummers with remarkable weak technique. I just saw one sunday. Some Russian Jazz drummer with good pocket, great sound, solid time and original ideas etc...but plain weird way of doing things. This is nothing new, is it? About guys beating down discussion...I don't mind it. People can call out BS if they want. It's not trolling and it is an honest opinion. There are a lot of guys thinking it and not saying it Derek once said that the best way to deal with this is to write as you would do face-to-face.

thewikiman wrote:HOD is one of the few drum forums where discussion is actively discouraged...

Kurtis said something about this being the best drum forum on the web (in a thread, later deleted, in which everyone savaged someone for posting a video of themselves) because there were no soft-balls. I think this concept has eaten itself now. There's also not much courtesy, or sense of community any more.

Well is there anything wrong with holding others to a higher standard? Well I would say no if you have the experience to back it up...which would be everyone on this board, IMO. But in general today, there is a consensus that anyone that doesn't allow people to do whatever they want, whenever they want, must have 'insecurities' that they are lashing out about. Not all help or advice comes in the form of "friendly", IMO.

After having read AllenS original post, it wasn't clear what his point was. So basically it was nothing more than an observation. What's wrong about that? I agree with wikiman that ya have to think twice before posting such a thing here. Implying, when in doubt you just don't post here. You can better start an topic about a upcoming drummer or dumvid, post a vid in the opening threat and watch what happens next.... Faulkner threat or ....? To Quote Gretsch-o-rama

gretsch-o-rama wrote:Not sure I agree with the validity of this sentiment...Unless we're talking about BPM on a drumometer...and I ain't going there!

I don't know what you're exactly refering to, but:

http://www.houseofdrumming.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1755

gretsch-o-rama wrote:

Steve Holmes wrote:

gretsch-o-rama wrote:Sometimes I don't know why I come here with furs up everybody's ass's.

I want to understand this comment. Can you please expand on it?

Just seems like there's a lot of unwarranted attitude and negativity on this forum. Don 't get me wrong Im not offended that hardly no one likes the video, I don't care mate, it's just like the video is offensive. WTF? I don't care if you don't like either Jojo's or Steve's aesthetic choices, there's undeniable skill there that deserves respect... just tired of people pissing on things. Sign of the times my friend. Youtube armchair pilots...



And furthermore, the attitude that there's nothing to be gleaned or learned from such a video as this is a little ignorant...

@AllenS, just watch Manu with Sting live or Manu with Gabriel, no chemistry vs no chemistry




ps. to discourage. Don't post new Vinnie YT vids. They are taken offline the next moment from YT.

Rene wrote:After having read AllenS original post, it wasn't clear what his point was. So basically it was nothing more than an observation. What's wrong about that? I agree with wikiman that ya have to think twice before posting such a thing here. Implying, when in doubt you just don't post here. You can better start an topic about a upcoming drummer or dumvid, post a vid in the opening threat and watch what happens next.... Faulkner threat or ....? To Quote Gretsch-o-rama

gretsch-o-rama wrote:Not sure I agree with the validity of this sentiment...Unless we're talking about BPM on a drumometer...and I ain't going there!

I don't know what you're exactly refering to, but:

http://www.houseofdrumming.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1755

gretsch-o-rama wrote:

gretsch-o-rama wrote:Sometimes I don't know why I come here with furs up everybody's ass's.

Just seems like there's a lot of unwarranted attitude and negativity on this forum. Don 't get me wrong Im not offended that hardly no one likes the video, I don't care mate, it's just like the video is offensive. WTF? I don't care if you don't like either Jojo's or Steve's aesthetic choices, there's undeniable skill there that deserves respect... just tired of people pissing on things. Sign of the times my friend. Youtube armchair pilots...



And furthermore, the attitude that there's nothing to be gleaned or learned from such a video as this is a little ignorant...

@AllenS, just watch Manu with Sting live or Manu with Gabriel, no chemistry vs no chemistry




ps. to discourage. Don't post new Vinnie YT vids. They are taken offline the next moment from YT.

Well I guess that means you're my friend Renee? I and still feel that way to some extent, just how I deal with that is different now....