Axis pedal dilemma.

[Josiah]

Manu, my advice would be to start from the beginning. The pedal means NOTHING. Nothing. Gene Hoglan uses Camco's and is far faster and cleaner then your friend, and most the world.

1. Let gravity do the work for you
2. Your leg weighs a LOT, just lift it and let it fall. Grab your pants at the knee and just drop it.
3. Learn all of the basic techniques, heel down, heel up, slide, pivot, heel-toe, flat foot.
4. Once you learn the basic techniques, forget about your feet and just play. Push it hard. You don't have to worry about hurting your feet like you do your hands.

All parts of the quadriceps, acting through the patella ligament, extend the leg at the knee joint, and through the actions of the rectus femoris, they flex the hip joint. All four parts of this muscle is used during climbing, running, jumping, and rising from a chair.

Per multem risum, poteris cognoscire stultum!

You spend a lot of time running, jumping, climbing and rising from your chair while playing drums? Didn't think so. You don't use your legs to push yourself upwards via the pedals. How bout extending your leg? Do that much when you play drums.. well maybe if you are actually kicking the drum instead of using a pedal. Go take some 'real' human anatomy 'lessons' before you try and lecture anyone on the kinematics of playing drums.

Ad eunidem gradum stultum!

[Manu]

Manu, my advice would be to start from the beginning. The pedal means NOTHING. Nothing. Gene Hoglan uses Camco's and is far faster and cleaner then your friend, and most the world.

1. Let gravity do the work for you
2. Your leg weighs a LOT, just lift it and let it fall. Grab your pants at the knee and just drop it.
3. Learn all of the basic techniques, heel down, heel up, slide, pivot, heel-toe, flat foot.
4. Once you learn the basic techniques, forget about your feet and just play. Push it hard. You don't have to worry about hurting your feet like you do your hands.

Assuming much? Although you're probably right (Hoglan is a beast) I think it's kind of odd just to assume things like that. In any case here's some video of my buddy Alfred, he is a great drummer, maybe you'll dig



Regarding myself im in another league in regards of double bass playing, but I've been playing for a long time so I got a few things down.

Here's a cover I did which has some double bass playing (excuse the retarded faces, that's old I got those under control now ). At least so you know my level . I can go a bit faster than that now but still can't reach the 200 bpm area with consitency which is my goal, not because of wanting to be fast for the sake of it, but because some songs my band is doing need it. The music is first right?



Regarding the pedals, although you're right that someone with great technique can do well in any pedal, I truly don't think the Iron Cobra is for me. I've had a Pearl eliminator and some DW's before which I felt much better with. Actually Im using the Irons because they're my keyboard player's pedals and better than the crappy pearls I actually own. So buying a new pedal is a must for me now.

[Manu]

Musik produktiv store replied to me saying I can try the pedals and return them without any charge if I don't like them in the period of 30 days, only paying the shipping in that case. How's that for awesome? Spanish stores should learn from German professionalism and customer service.

SO Im gonna go for the speed cobra first and if I don't like it gonna try the Yamaha DSOP recommended. Thanks a lot guys.

[chris perra]

I went from 10 years of iron cobras to speed cobras.

I like speed cobras overall better... faster and lighter...

Takes a little getting used though.. the balance point on footboard is different further back for me...
And how it lines up with the hihat is different as well. I found simple things like doing doubles with one foot had to be re muscle memoried as they would pop out way faster on the speed cobra's...

Took a few months to totally comfortable... but worth it in the end...

[DSOP]

Musik produktiv store replied to me saying I can try the pedals and return them without any charge if I don't like them in the period of 30 days, only paying the shipping in that case. How's that for awesome? Spanish stores should learn from German professionalism and customer service.

SO Im gonna go for the speed cobra first and if I don't like it gonna try the Yamaha DSOP recommended. Thanks a lot guys.

I'm sure you'll love the Speed Cobra pedals. The Speed Cobra hi-hat is pretty awesome too!

[Jim Richman]

Manu, my advice would be to start from the beginning. The pedal means NOTHING. Nothing. Gene Hoglan uses Camco's and is far faster and cleaner then your friend, and most the world.

1. Let gravity do the work for you
2. Your leg weighs a LOT, just lift it and let it fall. Grab your pants at the knee and just drop it.
3. Learn all of the basic techniques, heel down, heel up, slide, pivot, heel-toe, flat foot.
4. Once you learn the basic techniques, forget about your feet and just play. Push it hard. You don't have to worry about hurting your feet like you do your hands.

All parts of the quadriceps, acting through the patella ligament, extend the leg at the knee joint, and through the actions of the rectus femoris, they flex the hip joint. All four parts of this muscle is used during climbing, running, jumping, and rising from a chair.

Per multem risum, poteris cognoscire stultum

You spend a lot of time running, jumping, climbing and rising from your chair while playing drums? Didn't think so. You don't use your legs to push yourself upwards via the pedals. How bout extending your leg? Do that much when you play drums.. well maybe if you are actually kicking the drum instead of using a pedal. Go take some 'real' human anatomy 'lessons' before you try and lecture anyone on the kinematics of playing drums.

Ad eunidem gradum stultum!

You speak Latin? You know, I still do not understand why you insist that your thigh muscles have nothing to do with playing the bass drums. But I believe you now, and I am going to surgically remove my thigh muscles in order to properly play the bass drums. And I'll listen to Jack Dejohnette in my ipod.

[Riddim]

Manu, my advice would be to start from the beginning. The pedal means NOTHING. Nothing. Gene Hoglan uses Camco's and is far faster and cleaner then your friend, and most the world.

1. Let gravity do the work for you
2. Your leg weighs a LOT, just lift it and let it fall. Grab your pants at the knee and just drop it.
3. Learn all of the basic techniques, heel down, heel up, slide, pivot, heel-toe, flat foot.
4. Once you learn the basic techniques, forget about your feet and just play. Push it hard. You don't have to worry about hurting your feet like you do your hands.

All parts of the quadriceps, acting through the patella ligament, extend the leg at the knee joint, and through the actions of the rectus femoris, they flex the hip joint. All four parts of this muscle is used during climbing, running, jumping, and rising from a chair.

Per multem risum, poteris cognoscire stultum!

You spend a lot of time running, jumping, climbing and rising from your chair while playing drums? Didn't think so. You don't use your legs to push yourself upwards via the pedals. How bout extending your leg? Do that much when you play drums.. well maybe if you are actually kicking the drum instead of using a pedal. Go take some 'real' human anatomy 'lessons' before you try and lecture anyone on the kinematics of playing drums.

Ad eunidem gradum stultum!

Jim knows his way around a kit, especially in things metallic. He has been doing this for a while, rather well. There are sound files and video to back this up.

You may want to lighten up and if you don't understand someone's logic, ask them to explain it, instead of automatically assuming that what they have to say is worthless. Demeaning someone else does not make the demeaner look better.

[Manu]

I need a lighter pedal but as I don't play frenetic extreme metal I think the speed cobras will be good as they apparently retain that regular pedal feel Im used to. I will report back when I get them.

Also I don't know who is right in the muscles discussion but I agree with Riddim, Jim deserves some respect, he's a badass

[Yussuf]

If one would hear Jack Dejohnette's bass drum foot blindfolded, would Jack's leg muscles be as praised?

umm sorry...wrong thread..

[DSOP]

If one would hear Jack Dejohnette's bass drum foot blindfolded, would Jack's leg muscles be as praised?

umm sorry...wrong thread..

If Jack plays a bass drum in the forest, will Josiah start speaking in tongues?