Folks I need help with the sticking for this!!!!

[Manu]

From 3:33 to 3:50 , the hi hat thingy, I can do the accents but how do you do the 16th notes underneath? there must be some diddle type of sticking to pull it off right?

And btw how would you call that embellishment? Odd grouping accented hi hat or something of the sort?

thank you very much, I really want to learn it because I want to use it on the album we are composing with my band ;D

[Josiah]

audio is a bit weak but...

it's a slurred phrasing. the diddled notes hold the same value as the accented notes. or the accented note is the same value as the diddled notes, whatever way you find best to approach it.

if you got the accent phrasing down, basically just fill it in with the rest. sounds to me like he's accenting the up beat triplet, and filling it in, in addition to grabbing the back beat. call the value 16th note triplets or 32nds, something faster then the 16th for sure. could be 9's given how he's sneaking the back beat in against the accents and it's not alternating hands. hard to hear it clearly.

tricky shit for sure. the master with the nuance. the fact he just plays that stuff at whim just demonstrated what a mind blowing vocabulary he has.


i'd recommend getting 'The UnReel Drum Book'

http://www.amazon.com/Unreel-Drum-Book- ... 0757917410


the book clearly transcribes and breaks down a lot of stuff like this that is very signature vince phrasing. daunting as it is, it's even worse when you see it written out.

[Manu]

Thanks for the post Josiah, and yeah he might be doing 9`s or something. The tricky thing for me is filling the 32nds while keeping the backbeat in 4/4. That's why I would like to get the exact sticking to pull it off, so I can keep hitting the snare on the 2 without getting all mixed up with the hands.

[Josiah]

for sure man, im pretty convinced its an odd note grouping because the left hand is hitting the accents and the right hand is playing the backbeat against them. audio makes it hard.

the other possibility is, he is just playing the accents and stretching the value of the diddles under them to make it work. its a nasty trick and he's talked about it before, stretching the phrasing to work. so it may not be strictly 9's or 11's or what not, just some fast notes of equal value rolling under the accents.

*shrug* take the idea and run with it.

*on further review, pretty sure it's a variation on a slurred rolling 11:8 (or 22:16) lick he uses on occasion. accenting various notes. which is a boldly disgusting phrasing. variations of it are transcribed in the unreel book. i thought it sounded familiar and wanted to check against the waldmen recording.

[Matus]

The accenting is pretty easy to understand. First you have to think it in 16th notes, which would be accented in groups of 3. Then you can fill the 32nds underneath that in many ways.
Based on what we can see in the video, the right hand is moving with the 16th note flow, playing double strokes, so I'd assume he's playing the 16th accents and doubling up all the non accented notes through double strokes. And it sounds like he's playing all 32nd notes except for those on the snare. Something like this.
| : rrllRrllR LlrrllRrllRrllR llrrLl : |

The audio doesn't make it fully clear but that's my best guess right now based on the right hand movement.

[Manu]

The accenting is pretty easy to understand. First you have to think it in 16th notes, which would be accented in groups of 3. Then you can fill the 32nds underneath that in many ways.
Based on what we can see in the video, the right hand is moving with the 16th note flow, playing double strokes, so I'd assume he's playing the 16th accents and doubling up all the non accented notes through double strokes. And it sounds like he's playing all 32nd notes except for those on the snare. Something like this.
| : rrllRrllR LlrrllRrllRrllR llrrLl : |

The audio doesn't make it fully clear but that's my best guess right now based on the right hand movement.

Thanks Matus, that's exactly what I wanted, I will try to decipher that later on see if it works out. I just love this lick or whatever it is so much. There's a prog band called andromeda that I like a lot and the drummer does a lot of variations of it, it always sounds great IMO.

[Clint Hopkins]

I was wanting to figure this out too. It's pretty clear that it's a 4:3 type of figure and like Matus said, it's 32nd notes allowing for the accented snare notes. Is there an easy way to convert the vid audio to mp3?

[Cheggs]

Just sounds like he's accenting every 3rd 16th note & filling in with double strokes - ala alternating 5 stroke rolls - and just bringing his right hand down on 2 & 4. I'm just hearing it as 16ths & 32nd notes.
But that's just my interpretation. Hopefully one of the transcription wizard will chime in soon & set the record straight ha.

[Matus]

I was wanting to figure this out too. It's pretty clear that it's a 4:3 type of figure and like Matus said, it's 32nd notes allowing for the accented snare notes. Is there an easy way to convert the vid audio to mp3?

Don't mistake 3:4 (or triplets) with groupings of three within a given subdivision. It's a very common misunderstanding when talking metrics. One means fitting three notes where you'd usually have four and the other is accenting every three notes without changing subdivisions. What we have here is the latter.
The only doubt I have about it is if he's filling the remaining 32nd note with a three note stroke with his left hand after the backbeats, but it hardly sounds like that, the audio doesn't allow for much clarification.

[Clint Hopkins]

I was wanting to figure this out too. It's pretty clear that it's a 4:3 type of figure and like Matus said, it's 32nd notes allowing for the accented snare notes. Is there an easy way to convert the vid audio to mp3?

Don't mistake 3:4 (or triplets) with groupings of three within a given subdivision. It's a very common misunderstanding when talking metrics. One means fitting three notes where you'd usually have four and the other is accenting every three notes without changing subdivisions. What we have here is the latter.
The only doubt I have about it is if he's filling the remaining 32nd note with a three note stroke with his left hand after the backbeats, but it hardly sounds like that, the audio doesn't allow for much clarification.

Yeah, definitely not triplets. I think I'm pretty close with the basic pattern. Basically it's hand-to-hand 16ths on the hats, 2 & 4 on the snare. Everything that's not an accent on the hi-hat (4:3 pattern) or 2 & 4 on the snare, is doubled. I only doubled three measures in the example below:

http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/d ... 441ac0eec6