What is S.O.P.A ?

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Postby john lamb » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:35 pm

Josiah wrote:You give them an inch, they'll take 10 miles. That's the core problem with regulatory laws. Also, the issue of internet piracy should be about the last on the long list of issues that should be taken care of.


Yeah - thats the problem with the new laws saying the gov't can lock anyone up indefinitely w/o trial or without even publicly announcing it. Gov'ts round the world and throughout time have been known to abuse that power for political and economic reasons. Luckily, Obama promises he'll never actually use that power. :!


I agree with Henry in that regulation can not only be a good thing but a necessary thing for a proper functioning society. The alternative to regulation is anarchy, and presumably you aren't advocating that. The question then is not whether to regulate but how and what. Some regulation, such as the net neutrality regs Herny referenced ensure everyone has a bite at the apple (liberty/persuit of happiness). Other regs, such as anti-murder regs and water quality standards minimize the negative physical impact we levy on others around us (life). Unfortunately, many regs don't satisfy any of those three ... and instead are created to benefit the politicians themselves, either through graft or power increase.

My opposition to SOPA is the latter two. The bill as written provides politicians with a big hammer they can use to suppress information they don't want around and to punish businesses they want to punish - whether it is a personal vendetta or a graft-induced desire. It's unregulated power without checks and balances that does not do it's intended function and does not

As far as those countries that already do that, the Scandanavian countries have fantastic amounts of transparency in their govts and a populace that demands that. If that were the case here, then I might be in favor of the bill. I wonder, though, what the other countries on the list are? China perhaps? My feeling is that it will be a bi-modal distribution of tyrants and democracies with active/involved voters.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby matthughen » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:45 pm

SOPA seems to be a diminishing issue. There is bi-partisan opposition and the White House has announced that it will not sign the bill:
“We will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet,”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenbe ... pposition/


This development does not mean the time has passed to be vigilant about this issue. SOPA / PIP was another one of several attempts to "control' the internet. The question of how legislation like this even gets this far are legitimate. That said, ultimately the system seems to have dealt with SOPA the right way, IMHO.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby Henry II » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:25 pm

matthughen wrote:SOPA seems to be a diminishing issue. There is bi-partisan opposition and the White House has announced that it will not sign the bill:
“We will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet,”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenbe ... pposition/


This development does not mean the time has passed to be vigilant about this issue. SOPA / PIP was another one of several attempts to "control' the internet. The question of how legislation like this even gets this far are legitimate. That said, ultimately the system seems to have dealt with SOPA the right way, IMHO.


To the contrary, it is very much a live issue and its backers are not going away.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry ... 8?page=0,0

.InfoWorld Home / The Industry Standard / News / Lawmakers seem intent on approving SOPA, PIPA

January 06, 2012

Lawmakers seem intent on approving SOPA, PIPA

So far, strong opposition to the controversial copyright bills hasn't changed many minds in Congress

By Grant Gross | IDG News ServicePrint | 15 Comments

Early this year, the U.S. Congress appears likely to move forward with two controversial copyright enforcement bills, even with vocal and widespread opposition to the Stop Online Piracy Act and the Protect IP Act in the Internet community.

The two bills, SOPA and PIPA for short, appear headed toward approval this year, unless opponents can change the minds of many lawmakers. Dozens of lawmakers have voiced support for the bills, despite reports from digital rights group Fight for the Future that more than 1 million people have sent email messages to Congress in opposition.

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The U.S. Senate is expected to begin floor debate on PIPA shortly after senators return to Washington, D.C., on Jan. 23, and supporters appear to have the votes to override a threatened filibuster by Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, and a handful of other lawmakers.

Both bills have strong support in Congress and among some segments of U.S. industry. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Motion Picture Association of America, two powerful trade and lobbying groups, are among the 400-plus organizations supporting the bills. Other supporters include the National Football League, Time Warner, L'Oreal, and the Fraternal Order of Police.

Several supporters of the two bills declined to make predictions, but it's hard to ignore the numbers in Congress so far.

PIPA has 41 co-sponsors in the 100-member Senate. The votes of just 19 more senators would be needed to override a filibuster from Wyden and his allies.

In the House of Representatives, the Judiciary Committee will continue a markup of SOPA when lawmakers return to Washington. During the first three days of the markup in December, lawmakers opposed to SOPA introduced about 20 amendments intended to water down the bill. All of them failed, by roughly two-to-one margins in the committee.

"I'm not very encouraged, quite frankly," said Paul Ferguson, senior threat researcher at Trend Micro, a cybersecurity vendor with concerns about the bills. "There's a lack of technical knowledge here in the legislative process."

Ferguson and other Web security experts have questioned provisions in both bills that would allow court orders forcing Internet service providers to block subscriber access to foreign websites accused of copyright infringement and domain name registrars to stop resolving queries that direct traffic to those sites.

The filtering provisions in both bills would set back the decade-long effort to roll out DNSSEC, a suite of security tools for the DNS, Ferguson said. "It seems like all the technical concerns are just being dismissed out of hand," he said.

The bills would also allow the U.S. Department of Justice and copyright holders to seek court orders blocking payment processors and online advertising networks from doing business with foreign sites accused of infringing copyright.

The DOJ-requested court orders could also bar search engines from linking to the allegedly infringing sites.

Other opponents of SOPA and PIPA seem a bit more optimistic about derailing the bills. While some powerful entertainment and content groups support the bills, "on the other hand, you have everybody else, including millions of Americans," said Michael Petricone, senior vice president of government affairs at the Consumer Electronics Association, a large trade group opposed to the bills.

Opposition is growing because U.S. residents are hearing that the bills would hurt the Internet, Petricone added. "There are plenty of people in both the House and Senate that are doubting the wisdom of the bills," he said.

The bills have hit a couple of speed bumps in recent weeks. Giant domain-name registrar Go.Daddy withdrew its support for SOPA after threats of a customer boycott, and the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank that has defended tough copyright laws in the past, questioned several provisions in SOPA.

"The federal government needs to protect intellectual property rights," wrote James Gattuso, senior research fellow in regulatory policy at the foundation. "But it should do so in a way that does not disrupt the growth of technology, does not weaken Internet security, respects free speech rights, and solves the problem of rogue sites."

In addition, since Dec. 18, more than 46,000 people have signed a WhiteHouse.gov petition calling for President Barack Obama to veto SOPA. A second petition, calling for Obama to stop PIPA, has generated more than 51,000 signatures since Oct. 31.

The Obama administration has promised to issue an official response to all petitions that generate more than 25,000 signatures within a month.

Opponents of the bills are waiting for the White House's official position, said Heather Greenfield, spokeswoman for the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA), a tech trade group opposed to both bills.

The White House "has responded to petitions about alien life on earth, so we imagine they'll respond to the ones about SOPA, too," she said.

CCIA is also encouraged that House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican and main sponsor of SOPA, has promised to hold a hearing on the cybersecurity implications of the bill, Greenfield said.

"We're optimistic that if members really understood the Internet architecture and cybersecurity measures, they would not support SOPA as written," she added. "Instead, members who are really committed to combatting online piracy would look for effective ways to do that without compromising cybersecurity or the open architecture of the Internet."

Lammakers continue to hear from opponents of the bills, she said. "Members of Congress say their phones are ringing with calls from thousands of Internet users who are furious Congress plans to censor and regulate the Internet -- ahead of understanding what they're doing," she said. "So this could be the netroots issue, and it's hard to say yet how that's going to impact support."

Grant Gross covers technology and telecom policy in the U.S. government for The IDG News Service. Follow Grant on Twitter at GrantGross. Grant's e-mail address is grant_gross@idg.com.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby Gavin Harrison » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:38 pm

an interesting case going here regarding copyright infringement

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Postby electrizer » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:45 am

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Postby matthughen » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:53 pm

Henry II wrote:To the contrary, it is very much a live issue and its backers are not going away.

With all due respect Henry, as we seem to agree on the SOPA in general, the link I posted represents more up-to-date info on SOPA and its progress by 6 days (Jan 8 vs. Jan 14). The recent announcement that White House would veto any bill like SOPA and its WANING support in congress indicates that the likelihood of SOPA is on the decline.

"Support in Washington for the SOPA anti-piracy bill in Congress (and its Senate equivalent, PIPA), is waning. After weeks of mounting uproar online, Congressional leaders started backpedaling last week and the Obama Administration weighed in on Saturday in response to online petitions to stop the bills. The White House issued a clear rejection of some of the main principles of SOPA."
http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/14/sopa-s ... n-the-run/

It's clear that SOPA, thankfully, is facing increasing opposition and the momentum is on the side of SOPA opponents.
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Postby Henry II » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:51 pm

matthughen wrote:
Henry II wrote:To the contrary, it is very much a live issue and its backers are not going away.

With all due respect Henry, as we seem to agree on the SOPA in general, the link I posted represents more up-to-date info on SOPA and its progress by 6 days (Jan 8 vs. Jan 14). The recent announcement that White House would veto any bill like SOPA and its WANING support in congress indicates that the likelihood of SOPA is on the decline.

"Support in Washington for the SOPA anti-piracy bill in Congress (and its Senate equivalent, PIPA), is waning. After weeks of mounting uproar online, Congressional leaders started backpedaling last week and the Obama Administration weighed in on Saturday in response to online petitions to stop the bills. The White House issued a clear rejection of some of the main principles of SOPA."
http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/14/sopa-s ... n-the-run/

It's clear that SOPA, thankfully, is facing increasing opposition and the momentum is on the side of SOPA opponents.


Yesterday, Sen. Harry Reed told David Gregory on Meet the Press that IP piracy was a priority for the Senate and that the Senate was going forward with PIPA.
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Postby Gaddabout » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:21 pm

Ugh. I'd be willing to bet no one in charge at CBS had a clue what CNET was beyond their media credentials, and I seriously doubt they had the technical knowledge to understand what it was even if they did. You can call CBS execs money-grubbing whores. That sounds accurate. But conspiracy theories are beyond silly, because it gives far more credibility to executives than any of them I know ... and I work in broadcasting. No one at corporate could tell you three things on my website way out here in the southwestern U.S. They just know we made some money and they got their bonuses so they could extend their country club privileges in Virginia.
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Re: What is S.O.P.A ?

Postby Henry II » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:47 am

Gaddabout wrote:Ugh. I'd be willing to bet no one in charge at CBS had a clue what CNET was beyond their media credentials, and I seriously doubt they had the technical knowledge to understand what it was even if they did. You can call CBS execs money-grubbing whores. That sounds accurate. But conspiracy theories are beyond silly, because it gives far more credibility to executives than any of them I know ... and I work in broadcasting. No one at corporate could tell you three things on my website way out here in the southwestern U.S. They just know we made some money and they got their bonuses so they could extend their country club privileges in Virginia.


So, that's your basis for declaiming that CBS has nothing to do with SOPA or PIPA? You don't know much about the history of the rise of trusts and then corporations. Corporate executives make corporate policy, including how much money to spend bribing lawmakers as well as what the text of the favored laws, like SOPA and PIPA, will be. Underlings execute that policy.

In the mean time, several major websites are planning a "blackout" to protest both of these bills.
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