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Re: 3 Secret Problems with Jazz

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:27 am
by DeeP_FRieD
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1436557/
Ever seen this?

It's got some insights into what you're talking about, but from the top down.

Re: 3 Secret Problems with Jazz

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:57 pm
by bclarkio
DeeP_FRieD wrote:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1436557/
Ever seen this?

It's got some insights into what you're talking about, but from the top down.
I've just added it to my Netflix instant queue.

I've got to work for the next few days, but I'm looking forward to watching it during my days off.

Thanks!

Re: 3 Secret Problems with Jazz

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:40 pm
by bclarkio
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Re: 3 Secret Problems with Jazz

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:23 pm
by DeeP_FRieD
My thoughts exactly

Re: 3 Secret Problems with Jazz

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:58 am
by Rhythmatist
DeeP_FRieD wrote:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1436557/
Ever seen this?

It's got some insights into what you're talking about, but from the top down.
I haven't seen it yet but just read a NY Times review. I'm reminded of Miles Davis' return. How Bill Cosby warned those who thought they were going to get Kind of Blue revisited. To paraphrase, he was saying if you expect Miles to pick up with a more"traditional" approach then you'll be sadly disappointed. But, if you open your mind to musical progress you'll experience something quite new, fresh and exciting.

It's interesting how the review was looking at this as a retort to the Ken Burns PBS series and approaching it, as you mentioned, from the top down. I'm looking forward to watching this.

Re: 3 Secret Problems with Jazz

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:14 pm
by deseipel
watched it. Glasper hit it on the head for me. For me, I guess I think there's a threshold for 'tradtion'. I mean, I'm not fooling myself into thinking that I'm going to start some sort of movement or anything, but I just think a ton of guys are just stuck in the 50s/60s genre of jazz. And by stuck, I mean theyve put that time on a pedestal that no one should/can touch. And something irks me about the notion that "you can't move a tradition forward unless you're steeped in it". Now, I agree with that to a certain degree. Spending a few years drenched in jazz from the 40s/50s/60s is a good thing. But that,in combo with the pedestal thing is a recipe for stagnation. Now, there's nothing wrong with sounding like groups from the 60s (for example), I like a ton of stuff from that era. But I wouldn't want that aesthetic to be my primary output forever. But maybe they do I suppose. It reinforces the pedestal thing. I like modern, edgy stuff I guess. Stuff that's relevant today. Glasper said at one point, " that's their time, they were great. But this is my time, my path. I cant be them (Coltrane, Miles, etc.)" There's some powerful stuff there. Granted, my view of this sort of thing is myopic at best, so I'll be the first to say I'm not the expert in the genre.