Darren Altman wrote:DeeP_FRieD wrote:This youtube shit of people playing other people's music well is starting to get to me.
It misses the fundamental point of music... That someone came up with that shit on their own.......I mean great work, but I will be convinced when I see an original track with original ideas that make me as happy as Jeff RIchman's ideas from this guy...
And then you post a vid of your band playing a COVER!! Contradictions?!
Anyway, that aside... it's how we grow and develop as players, we emulate, we imitate, we copy. Then by the very nature of us being human beings, we naturally evolve as musicians as our own personalities shine through. We have to have reference points, heroes, influences, every artist has, but that doesn't mean it's at the expense of our own stamp or signature sound. When I started playing the drums, I used to play along religiously to My Muppet and The Kids From Fame albums! Copying the playing on those records helped make me the player I am today and I'm proud of that fact.
These people who post videos of themselves playing along to tracks are on a journey like the rest of us, good luck to them. I don't know the original drummer on the track, but I'm sure this guy didn't copy him note for note. Even if he did, so what! When he gets on the bandstand, I bet he forgets his influences and just plays the music.
Contradictions... it's Jazz (people play a lot of other peoples
tunes in this style), also, it's majorly reharmed and modified arrangement wise, and took my buddy the keyboard player's imagination and time to rearrange so well. Another thing, I came up with all the parts for this reading it off a head chart.
Want originals?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QJkHwOE ... ideo_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0MIqwJ9 ... ideo_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHP1spgPakc
I'm sorry my post pissed off so many people, but I don't think it interpreted correctly by most.
The point I was trying to get at is not that people shouldn't spend their time shedding other people's shit, but that working that up to record it to represent your playing isn't valid really.
I was referring to being able to get with some people and actually make some music, then if sick shit comes out of you it's golden.
Learning a whole track helps you peer into the mind and vocabulary of someone else. If you think about what you just learned critically, you can figure out ways to incorporate those ideas into your vocabulary.
Recording it and putting it up on youtube just doesn't seem to effective for advancing your playing... although I know people score gigs like this all the time, I don't think Jeff Richman is going to be kicked out of his group anytime.
Sorry a point of frustration for me on a late, moderately inebriated night got to you, but all I really wanted to see was this guy lay down some of his own shit, whether it be on a cover or not is irrelevant, but I want it to be his own.
Years ago, when I was in College and that Unreel drum book came out, I spent months working on some of the solos from there. We had do 2 performances a semester in forum for the classical portion of my degree and so rather than poop on a marimba, I would do a transcribed excerpt on something for drumset... as long as it could be read off a page, the professor was cool with it. One semester, I worked hard on that bali hai solo and performed it on one forum.
I can tell you that at that time and still at this time that there is NO WAY I could pull something like that off, off the top of my head. Yeah I could make it through that solo with the cd leading me by the hand, but formulating those ideas, on the bandstand, one or two takes, 100% impossible.
This dichotomy is what my gripe was about.
