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Isaac Lee wrote:

drum6282 wrote: most Zildjian 22s are too washy for me or pitch isn't what I hear if it's a drier ride. I've tried several 22s, but I always go back to 20s. Finally accepted it. They just feel right.

Did you ever mess with putting some gaff tape on the underside? Its not ideal but it will control unwanted wash.

Yeah, but I just prefer 20s - for most situations I'm in. If I had a full time jazz trio, I'd play a 22 K Con med thin low, with a 20 left side ride with 3 rivets - K con hi hats or K Lights. But, right now, the 20 K Custom medium is versatile enough for most of what I'm playing - I can put a Promark rivet chain on it and it works great - it doesn't work as well on the 20 K ride - it's much more stiff...if I'm doing a quiet first set of jazz standards, I'll use a light stick like a Vic Firth AJ3 or 7A...for louder sets, I play 5Bs...sticks effect the cymbal a lot! Plus, touch, room, etc. etc.

I also like the 20" K Custom Session Ride - much drier and brighter than the K Custom Medium, tons of stick definition...those are the two rides I'm using right now - I switch them out depending on gig. K Custom Session isn't as versatile IMO.

22 k dark medium, I have a brilliant finish one which is a little brighter (supposed to be the only one they made in brilliant for an endorser)
21 special dry, not for volume but the bell is a work of art.
21 Paiste Dark energy mk 2 is amazing

my 22 A Custom is a little light and washy for my tastes, thinking of sandblasting it to see what happens......

I play a 20" K Custom Dark from late 90's...

but I've recently heard(and played slightly) the Benny Greb Sand Ride at a clinic, and was pretty blown away. Very nice all around ride.

Jay Alsman wrote:I play a 20" K Custom Dark from late 90's...

but I've recently heard(and played slightly) the Benny Greb Sand Ride at a clinic, and was pretty blown away. Very nice all around ride.

That's why I was thinking of doing a sandblast on the A Custom, nice cymbal, but too washy, it's a prototype that I got for 100 quid so not too much of a bother if it goes wrong.

Isaac Lee wrote:

drum6282 wrote: most Zildjian 22s are too washy for me or pitch isn't what I hear if it's a drier ride. I've tried several 22s, but I always go back to 20s. Finally accepted it. They just feel right.

Did you ever mess with putting some gaff tape on the underside? Its not ideal but it will control unwanted wash.

I've had a lot of luck just throwing a piece of moongel on the top side...depending on where you place it you get varying degrees of dampening. For medium-up to uptempo Jazz a moongel up near the bell gives me just enough extra definition without changing the overall character of the cymbal...20" K Dark Ride...then, when I want more wash I simply peel it off. To get a more dramatic muting effect I'll place it near the edge...it gets closer to that Gary Novak CCEBII kind of definition.

Rhythmatist wrote:

Isaac Lee wrote:

drum6282 wrote: ...it gets closer to that Gary Novak CCEBII kind of definition.

BTW, I believe Gary was playing a 20" K Dark Crash with some tape beneath as a ride...