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Re: Jack! A Love Supeme!
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:47 pm
by Patrick Tiglao
Josiah,I'd be pissed off if I took your views seriously....
On the real side enough talk...You must be an incredible jazz player to bash Jack. With views like yours, you must be a phenomenal player....
I would love to listen to you play drums/music sometime....
Where can I hear/see footage of your music??
(to repeat an earlier question on another thread.)
Where did you study ?? Who have you studied with??
Re: Jack! A Love Supeme!
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:20 am
by Henry II
DSOP wrote:It took me about 20 years of playing experience before I appreciated Jack's playing. At that point, I went crazy and picked up as much stuff with Jack on it as I could. I love his playing and love his compositions.
But, did you go around telling others that Jack was crap during your learning/growing years?
My drum professor in college used to tell his students "it takes 20 years of complete devotion to be a jazz musician." And, unless you are a rare genius (ie: TW), it takes that long to understand and appreciate the greatness in truly great jazz musicians. I remember the first time I heard The Mahavishnu Orchestra. I didn't get it. I wasn't ready, not nearly ready. But, I didn't think or say it was crap. I was fascinated by what I heard and was compelled to listen over and over until I did begin to get it.
Anyway, the next time this happens, I'll learn from this experience and, rather than engage with somone who isn't ready or willing to learn, I'll just hang a sign on the offending post that reads:
PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
Re: Jack! A Love Supeme!
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:37 am
by DSOP
Henry II wrote:
But, did you go around telling others that Jack was crap during your learning/growing years?
Not at all. I could tell that Jack's playing and approach were heavy. I was just not used to his elastic playing and hadn't heard enough music with him on it. I think my first exposure to Jack was actually at a drum clinic, with him soloing. I remember being very intrigued by his touch and what he did with the ride/hi-hats and cymbals in general. After picking up a bunch of Keith Jarrett and then the Parallel Realities CD and DVD, I was hooked for life. I now hear his influence in EVERY great jazz musician who has come along since.
Re: Jack! A Love Supeme!
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:07 pm
by gretsch-o-rama
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! LOL
Re: Jack! A Love Supeme!
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:28 am
by janne jansson
I have a lot of cd where Jack plays drums that i like a lot but this drumsolo i did not like...
But still a great player he is..
Way better than me..
Re: Jack! A Love Supeme!
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:32 pm
by Julián Fernández
Jack´s THE MAN
[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/51462825[/vimeo]
Re: Jack! A Love Supeme!
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:25 am
by Jim Richman
Josiah wrote:sorry Jack's execution of that solo is weak, and i can point out numerous points in that video where you can see it, all over. the hesitation, the lack of commitment to the notes, lack of stock control, etc, since when is playing a chopping closed roll considered "good"?
whitehousec wrote:Josiah wrote: but an idea that doesnt evolve over what? 40 years? That's just stagnated blahness.[/quoteSo much insight, and one my favorite posts
Like the blushda?
Aww come on man really? i thought the level of intellect is far above that here. the 'blushda' lick has been evolved, by MANY players, far beyond what Tony did. Players have used the blushda, most notably Vinnie, in ways that we don't even regonize that he was doing it til after the transcription is pointed out.
Not to mention, Tony ain't around anymore.
And since you use it as a counter point, i'll go on further to illustrate exactly what I mean. Tony brought the blushda, players have taken it and evolved the lick. Show me a lick that Jack brought to the drum set that is currently being used on a regular basis by modern masters.... there are none.
im a young guy, didnt grow up with the early stuff. so be it. I can appreciate what those players did for the instrument and music AT THE TIME. Fantastic stuff.
but that solo, in modern context - is shit. ya i can sit down and approximate various melodic solos and phrases i know on the kit, but why? its drumset. if i wanted to play you a music solo, i'd do it on the marimba, where i have 4.5 octaves to move over. you will praise Jack for his amazing drum set solo but really compared to Lionel Hampton?! just come on, play the fucking drums. or play the bells. but dont try and say combining the two in some pseudo like fashion is special.