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Mark, the msg seems to be that your lessons could use some simplification. And I'm not sure why folks are demanding a musical context, a lot of this type of stuff is left to the performers to put this into context. There's tons of stuff that is purely academic, but it takes one song or solo to make it cool.

deseipel wrote: And I'm not sure why folks are demanding a musical context, a lot of this type of stuff is left to the performers to put this into context.

Can only speak for myself. But for the most part I think people like 'Mark Levine' are full of it.


Even Einstein was able to prove his theory's with real life context. That's kinda why the guy is as famous as he is. Nobody gives a hoot about numbers on a paper but when you can explain and show them in context to the layman, it makes a huge impact. Hence, Al is rather famous and most ground breaking physicits are unknown.

Just saying the proof is in the pudding. I'm asking for some pudding.

This forum is a loose form of peer review. If this were a scientific community, Mark would have been torn apart pretty bad. In a loose way, we are peer reviewing. IE: You've presented your findings, now show us your proof.

Josiah wrote:

deseipel wrote: And I'm not sure why folks are demanding a musical context, a lot of this type of stuff is left to the performers to put this into context.

Can only speak for myself. But for the most part I think people like 'Mark Levine' are full of it.


Even Einstein was able to prove his theory's with real life context. That's kinda why the guy is as famous as he is. Nobody gives a hoot about numbers on a paper but when you can explain and show them in context to the layman, it makes a huge impact. Hence, Al is rather famous and most ground breaking physicits are unknown.

Just saying the proof is in the pudding. I'm asking for some pudding.

This forum is a loose form of peer review. If this were a scientific community, Mark would have been torn apart pretty bad. In a loose way, we are peer reviewing. IE: You've presented your findings, now show us your proof.

Josiah,
As Deseipel said brilliantly, " this type of stuff is left to the performers to put this into context". He is not blind. He and others visionaries can inspire their worlds of music with their innovation. I do this for them.

Think what you want about me. Reject me as a fraud.

Mark Levine wrote:... visionaries can inspire their worlds of music with their innovation. I do this for them.

This like taking Polynesian Nightmare seriously. In his own post he deleted he condescendingly referred to technique concepts. I can only PRAY that he decides to share those with us, you know something actually useful.
I know exactly what Mark is good at . . . and it aint explaining esoteric rhythmic concepts. Here is a hint:

matthughen wrote:

Mark Levine wrote:... visionaries can inspire their worlds of music with their innovation. I do this for them.

This like taking Polynesian Nightmare seriously. In his own post he deleted he condescendingly referred to technique concepts. I can only PRAY that he decides to share those with us, you know something actually useful.
I know exactly what Mark is good at . . . and it aint explaining esoteric rhythmic concepts. Here is a hint:

Matt,
I can't stop laughing. You learned your lesson well!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBkuYNF8W5w[/youtube]

You´ve been in HOD long enough when you could this coming from the moment this thread was created! ja ja ja

Steve Holmes wrote:Good discussion. Sometimes it's hard to think outside the box. It's good to do "brain exercise" by trying to learn concepts that approach the limits of our understanding. At the end of the day I think a satisfying musical outcome is the goal however.

Reminds of this vid (sorry, no YT link)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150831200271407 <- 5 and 7 are the same! Mind = BLOWN.

Effrain is coming from a place that is based on numbers as well, but in a different way I think. I really dig him.

That is so slick... I think he's doing this kind of thing:


Funny thing about this thread anybody who has seen the unreel book has might have noticed this in the Bali Hai solo:


That lick runs off the exact same grouping of 5 eightnotes principle.

agreed, starting at beat 2 of measure 23. unless I'm looking at it wrong.

basically accenting every 10th note... for a while.

It's best to reduce these things to their lowest common denominator which is 5 eighth notes (36/28 sounds a lot more daunting vs. 9/7), but yes... you could also perceive it starting on the 1/8th note before the first 16ths. Interestingly enough that part leads into the same concept but instead of eighth notes he uses it within the context of quarter note triplets.

This imposing groupings of 5 onto non quintuplet pulses and subdivisions is a big part of many incredible drummers' repertoire... Vinnie owns it... even Kneebody frequents it as compositional device. With all this being said, why did Mark get such a bad treatment for writing it out in Sibelius and uploading it here?